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Willow (the_willow) wrote,
@ 2008-05-26 12:31:00

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fuckwittery07 - livejournal, ijay rules the others drool

LJ's Election
Apparently LJ user Legomymalfoy is ~~the idiot at LJ abuse who could care less if you're being stalked or harrased among other things~~ on the team that includes idiots who could care less if you're being stalked or harrassed aka LJ Abuse. Last time i vote for someone simply because fandom's giving them the push.

Changed my vote.

It won't matter, of course, since fandom's promoting LMM all over the damn place and there are a lot of people who dont' give a damn about this election and think it won't change a damn thing or matter in the long run - but who will put a vote towards someone an organized fannish effort promotesand because I don't think the Advisory Board is going to contribute much at all. But I agree a known and self displaying asswipe (jameth)shouldn't be on there.

All in all, it's making me glad I'm here.

I <3 you squeaky

ETA: This post was me griping. It was not intended as a call out for a deep expose and a bum rush for people to change their votes / voting inclinations. It's just me talking about something that makes the whole LJ Representative Board and Elections seem even more useless than I'd come to think.

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	zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 12:24 pm UTC (link)
	Could you be more specific or point to other people telling us what happened to them? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	the_willow 2008-05-26 12:52 pm UTC (link)
	yonmei has had dealings and interactions with. I can't find the post saying so, however, so I don't know if it was flocked or not. She has a post up here. Maybe you can ask questions. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 12:58 pm UTC (link)
	All I know is, she admits on her own journal she's on the abuse team, and I think she's said somewhere she's not planning to resign if elected. So I can't see why fandom would want to elect her. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 01:02 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, can you explain a bit more about why you think being on abuse renders her incapable of understanding fandom's perspective on LJ? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

yonmei
2008-05-26 01:17 pm UTC (link)

Clear conflict of interest. Her job as a member of the LJ Abuse team is to enforce corporate policies on livejournal members and to repeat corporate lies.

Her job as a representive to the LJ Advisory board will be to.. eh.

Also, you know, I gather via

bethbethbeth that her level of "understanding fandom's perspective on LJ" is such that she felt Six Apart was doing the right thing in Strikethrough 2007. (I know I said this in a previous comment, but I see from

bethbethbeth's journal that

bethbethbeth expressed it slightly more ambiguously than "She supported 6a" - so you might want to go ask

bethbethbeth exactly what went down.)

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	zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 01:35 pm UTC (link)
	I was aware that she is part of the Abuse team (I read her platform before I voted) and I actually think it's an asset, that she understands LJ's historical relationship with users. I hadn't heard that Abuse members lied about new policies being implemented. I'd only heard about developers or spokespeople. Do you have any links? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 01:43 pm UTC (link)
	I hadn't heard that Abuse members lied about new policies being implemented. I'd only heard about developers or spokespeople. Do you have any links? Only official e-mails from LJ Abuse team members. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 01:52 pm UTC (link)
	do you want to share? (Reply to this) (Parent)

yonmei
2008-05-26 01:45 pm UTC (link)

and I actually think it's an asset, that she understands LJ's historical relationship with users.

I think there's an awful lot of people out there who understand LJ's historical relationship with users: they got suspension notices from LJ Abuse.

You think it's an asset to have someone who understands the "historical relationship" from the POV of sending those suspension notices out?

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zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com
2008-05-26 01:56 pm UTC (link)

I think there's an awful lot of people out there who understand LJ's historical relationship with users: they got suspension notices from LJ Abuse.

I hope that they will speak up in the election, particularly if there's another candidate in the election they favor.

You think it's an asset to have someone who understands the "historical relationship" from the POV of sending those suspension notices out? Yes. I think enforcement gives you a lot of good ideas for policy.

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	yonmei 2008-05-26 02:48 pm UTC (link)
	I favour rm, thank you. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 02:50 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. I think enforcement gives you a lot of good ideas for policy. I'm sure it does: but why would LJ fandom want someone with more "good ideas" for policy like the anti-breastfeeding thing, and Strikethrough 2007, and... so forth. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 03:01 pm UTC (link)
	Do you have some knowledge that legomalfoy (or other members of abuse) were in favor of strikethrough07? Do you have links? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

yonmei
2008-05-26 03:16 pm UTC (link)

I know that

legomymalfoy at least did not oppose Strikethrough sufficiently to resign from LJ Abuse rather than enforce it: and, according to

bethbethbeth here was "generally supportive" of SixApart policies through Strikethrough.

Do you have some knowledge that

legomymalfoy in any way opposed Strikethrough 07 or any of the other actions against livejournallers?

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zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com
2008-05-26 03:32 pm UTC (link)

I don't specifically have knowledge about legomalfoy, but the statements I've read about it from people who are or were abuse team members is that the policy and particularly the implementation were opposed by abuse team members generally.

I'm questioning you and asking for specifics because you are advocating that fandom should not vote for legomalfoy because she is on abuse, full stop. I don't think that's a reason not to vote for her, and is in fact a reason to vote for her, but if you have some additional information about her, I'm willing to be convinced and switch my vote to rm. But we've exchanged comments ?four? times, and I haven't learned anything I didn't know before Willow made the original post.

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yonmei
2008-05-26 03:53 pm UTC (link)

I don't specifically have knowledge about legomalfoy, but the statements I've read about it from people who are or were abuse team members is that the policy and particularly the implementation were opposed by abuse team members generally.

If true, a mass resignation by LJ Abuse team members might actually have affected policy. As Six Apart noted in June 2006, the owners of Livejournal are dependent on Six Apart volunteers being willing to enforce corporate policy and lie for the corporation - for free. (Or at least, for no wages.)

But if it's true that some LJ Abuse team members saw that what Livejournal's owners were doing to livejournallers was wrong, but went along with it anyway and enforced policies they knew were wrong, they're culpable: or at least, hypocritical.

I'm questioning you and asking for specifics because you are advocating that fandom should not vote for legomalfoy because she is on abuse, full stop. I don't think that's a reason not to vote for her, and is in fact a reason to vote for her, but if you have some additional information about her, I'm willing to be convinced and switch my vote to rm. But we've exchanged comments ?four? times, and I haven't learned anything I didn't know before Willow made the original post.

Well, then we have a different opinion. I think membership of LJ Abuse disqualifies someone from running for the LJ Advisory council, on a conflict of interest: I further think it's entirely pointless for fans who want someone to represent them to vote for a candidate who has already demonstrated that she won't do so. But that's all I know. As I think I said: you should ask

bethbethbeth to clarify what she knows about

legomymalfoy.

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rydra-wong.livejournal.com
2008-05-26 01:05 pm UTC (link)

Being on the Abuse team doesn't mean she makes LJ policy, and given that she's a slash writer, I really doubt that she's happy with it.

From what I've heard, a lot of LJ assholery has been enforced against the strongly-expressed wishes of the Abuse team.

synecdochic, whose judgement I trust, has very good things to say about her:

http://synecdochic.livejournal.com/222181.html

But frankly, after having jameth's trolls set on me in my lj over the last few days, I'd vote for anyone more-or-less human to keep him out.

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yonmei
2008-05-26 01:20 pm UTC (link)

From what I've heard, a lot of LJ assholery has been enforced against the strongly-expressed wishes of the Abuse team.

But without their resignations.

If

legomymalfoy genuinely feels it's bad what Livejournal's owners have the LJ Abuse team do to journals that aren't good product, this is her opportunity to resign and say so.

If she doesn't feel that way, why should anyone in LJ fandom want to vote for her? Is the point of these elections to get a candidate who won't speak out, who won't stand up for livejournallers?

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	rydra-wong.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 01:44 pm UTC (link)
	FWIW, nnaylime -- who was an Abuse team member who did quit during Strikethrough -- went out of her way to speak up for legomymalfoy when someone raised this question at fandom_votes: http://community.livejournal.com/fandom_votes/1518.html?thread=36334#t36334 (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 02:53 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks for linking to that thread. From what Nnaylime says about LJ Abuse/legomymalfoy, an LJ Abuse team member whose first loyalty is to "her team" - here - is the last person fandom should vote for. (Well, no: the last person is still jameth. But is "better than jameth really enough?) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	rydra-wong.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 03:17 pm UTC (link)
	But is "better than [info]jameth really enough? If that's the choice we're faced with, then yes. And given that I've spent the last few days with his shit-smearing troll cronies all over my journal, I feel fairly strongly about this. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 03:41 pm UTC (link)
	If that's the choice we're faced with, then yes. Fortunately, it's not: you can still vote for rm, and urge others to do likewise. It's only a final choice between the LJ Abuse candidate and the fuckwit if people choose to make it so. (Reply to this) (Parent)

rydra-wong.livejournal.com
2008-05-26 12:58 pm UTC (link)

Okay, I have to say this:

After the shit that's gone down in my lj over the last few days, and having his troll pack set on me for daring to be epileptic in a public place, I will vote for pretty much anyone more-or-less human if it'll keep jameth out. I'm furious and freaked out and have been shaking continuously for the last couple of days.

There's also the issue of his neo-Nazi supporters (I'm not throwing around the word loosely; one of his friends and chief supporters is a viciously racist Holocaust denier):

http://kita0610.livejournal.com/472054.html

I really doubt that even a good candidate is going to be able to achieve anything, but jameth would certainly use the position as carte blanche to troll and harrass people as much as he likes (since they pretty much wouldn't be able to ban him).

And right now, if you check the current poll stats (http://www.livejournal.com/poll/?id=1192389&mode=results), legomymalfoy is the only person who stands a chance of beating him.

I don't know her personally and I can't speak for what other people's experiences have been, but I've heard from people like synecdochic whose judgement I trust that legomymalfoy is a good person (and fannish).

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	yonmei 2008-05-26 01:21 pm UTC (link)
	I'm kind of torn: on the one hand, jameth's a complete fuckwit who certainly doesn't deserve to win. On the other, what is the point of voting for a representative who's a member of LJ Abuse? (Reply to this) (Parent)

the_willow
2008-05-26 01:22 pm UTC (link)

I'm iffy on synecdochic, for a couple of reasons involving how she sees iJay, and how she sees meta discussion and likely things I've forgotten.

I've amended my post to reflect that that LMM is a member of the abuse team AND that I don't know what if any part she played in things. AND that my post is my griping about stuff.

I changed my vote to someone I'd been looking up before I saw the call to vote for LMM.

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	rydra-wong.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 01:45 pm UTC (link)
	Sorry, didn't mean to explode in your journal -- I'm just a bit frayed at the moment ... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 01:47 pm UTC (link)
	When I look at jameth et al, I for one don't blame you. I just feel it would be a shame if jameth's fuckwittery meant LJ fandom embraced the pointlessly pro-6A candidate because at least she's human, if not useful to be elected. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

rydra-wong.livejournal.com
2008-05-26 02:12 pm UTC (link)

Unfortunately, given the way things are going, it looks like jameth or legomymalfoy is effectively the choice we've got: if the fannish vote splinters too much, he can still win.

I think there are other excellent candidates out there -- I've been really impressed by rm, for example -- but I've heard good things about legomymalfoy from people I trust, who've argued from what they know of LJ that she may have the best chance of getting them to listen, if anyone can.

Frankly, I don't have high hopes that any user rep is going to be able to achieve anything positive. And I respect that for some people there are reasons why she wouldn't be their first choice for fannish candidate.

But I hope people will consider giving her their second- or third-choice vote, even if she's not their first, just on the grounds of keeping that asshole out.

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yonmei
2008-05-26 02:55 pm UTC (link)

but I've heard good things about legomymalfoy from people I trust, who've argued from what they know of LJ that she may have the best chance of getting them to listen, if anyone can.

Well, but what is she going to get them to listen to? If she's pro-LJ Abuse and (as I have heard) pro-Strikethrough, why would anyone in fandom imagine that she'll be saying anything to Livejournal's owners that's in any way useful to the ordinary users who get suspension notices?

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	rydra-wong.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 03:08 pm UTC (link)
	I haven't personally heard anything about her being pro-Strikethrough, and I'm finding it hard to fit that with what I have heard about her. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yonmei 2008-05-26 03:17 pm UTC (link)
	Well, I don't find it hard to reconcile with what I've heard about her: she didn't resign from LJ Abuse during Strikethrough 07. But perhaps you should ask bethbethbeth to clarify here. (Reply to this) (Parent)

the_willow
2008-05-26 02:05 pm UTC (link)

I understand the frayed.

I think I'm going to add a 'griping' tag to my posts. That way there's a difference between a call to arms and Willow's just pissy.

I will never forget and will always be grateful that my post about Kristalnacht got such a response. But it's difficult to remember, especially with feeds vs everyone on the same site, that there are people reading who'd readily sound the alarm if something is seriously wrong.

On iJay I feel comfortably under the radar due to the small 'friend of'

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	fickle 2008-05-26 02:37 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't know it was possible to change votes! I think I voted for squeaky, then rm, then left my 3rd choice blank. Though in retrospect, yeah, it's weird that my first choice was a male who isn't actually into fandom, but I trust him to protect it. And I don't know anything about the other candidates and don't care enough about eljay to look it up. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	the_willow 2008-05-26 02:59 pm UTC (link)
	Until they close the polls, you can change your votes, yes. You click on the poll number and then on fill out poll. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	You might consider giving your third vote to vichan. She, too, is fannish, she's in fourth place, more or less, and I think her platform (http://vichan.livejournal.com/236710.html) is a good one. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	viridian5 2008-05-30 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	I voted for rm first, vichan second, and legomymalfoy third due to the LJ Abuse thing. If more of a push was put behind the others maybe they would have had a better chance, not that I think great power will come with the post. There are some promising things coming out of LJ today, but we all know how they can reverse themselves later. (Reply to this)